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Основной вопрос : Почему в R1Q2 нету поддержки MVD и что мешает этому?


1) Действие первое - обсуждение проблемы с автором MVD протокола в q2 - SkulleR-ом.


После обсуждения расставлены точки над i :

- MVD протокол стабилизировался, а следовательно, готов к внедрению в другие сервера/клиенты

- Есть мнение, что R1CH может не хотеть скорого внедрения, поскольку опасается за стабильность r1q2 сервера.


Принято решение:

Вызвать общественный резонанс к проблеме публичным постом на форуме q2scene.

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2) Действие второе

"Вызывать резонанс" поручено Кабусдоху.

В результате разговора определено:

- Кабу создаёт тему на q2scene форуме.


Итог:

Кабу создаёт тему на форуме q2scene и новость на quake2.com.ru, также спамит эхи IRC ссылками на созданную тему.

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3) Действие третье ( но не последнее)

Удостоверившись, что на канале IRC EDL6 присутствуют Скуллер и R1CH, пытаемся спровоцировать главных действующих лиц на публичное обсуждение проблемы.


В результате действия определено:


У Рича не осталось аргументов кроме как публично написать о том, что у него было много времени на работу с r1q2 в последнее время.
Вопрос в том, не лукавил ли?

Ждём продолжения банкета.

Лог IRC:

[21:34:13] <AlexyeNov> q2scene's ppl. why i not want do more activity? is you not have interesting in watching gtv translations of EDL matches? We need your opinions... http://q2scene.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=409
[21:35:26] <wision> oh please...
[21:35:48] <AlexyeNov> and?
[21:36:08] <AlexyeNov> what u can say againist vs me in this ask?
[21:36:32] <wision> you can read my reply
[21:36:39] * M0BY (MOBY@a83-132-229-161.cpe.netcabo.pt) вышел (Ping timeout)
[21:37:09] <AlexyeNov> i was readed it
[21:37:44] <wision> the new one?
[21:37:49] <AlexyeNov> but one problem is... i not like R1CH forum with his "antispam" function. + all q2scene ppl has account on q2scene forum too
[21:38:08] <AlexyeNov> so we can ask more ppl on q2scene forum
[21:38:11] <AlexyeNov> thats all
[21:38:24] <wision> everyone agrees with mvd/gtv in r1q2.. so what is there to ask?
[21:38:38] <AlexyeNov> i want see more opinions on one place.
[21:38:53] <AlexyeNov> may be R1CH will see it and understand as we want it
[21:38:54] <AlexyeNov> ...
[21:39:10] <AlexyeNov> u have another method? ok, tell me
[21:39:20] <wision> more still same opinions that mvd should be in r1q2? what is that good for?
[21:39:39] <wision> and i rich already said that HE WILL implement it... you don't understand it or what?
[21:40:07] * drunk` (~chatzilla@78.96.227.221) вышел (Signed off)
[21:40:16] * hstl (~xxxx@89.165.165.10) приходит в #EDL
[21:40:30] <R1CH> AlexyeNov, fix your browser to be RFC-compliant
[21:40:35] <R1CH> then you won't get blocked from my forum
[21:40:43] * Pogo^ (pogo@213-65-212-211-no96.tbcn.telia.com) приходит в #EDL
[21:40:44] * Q меняет режим: +v Pogo^
[21:41:49] <wision> is it this multiple connections at once?
[21:42:24] <R1CH> yeah
[21:42:52] <R1CH> 2 is plenty when pipelining is enabled
[21:43:07] <R1CH> otherwise my webserver gets bogged down with all the new processes
[21:43:33] <AlexyeNov> > and i rich already said that HE WILL implement it... you don't understand it or what?
[21:43:39] <AlexyeNov> ok
[21:43:43] <AlexyeNov> i will say now
[21:43:45] <wision> -i
[21:43:58] <R1CH> are you even using latest q2pro for MVD?
[21:44:05] <AlexyeNov> why u think that mvd is not stabilized now?
[21:44:10] <R1CH> last i checked ppl were using old old build because new protocol was not compatible
[21:44:13] <AlexyeNov> kaby's post was about IT
[21:44:20] * `soul` (~soul@davor983.users.quakenet.org) вышел (Ping timeout)
[21:44:21] * bl44zz (BLAIZZ@92.112.117.253) вышел (Ping timeout)
[21:44:38] <wision> R1CH we used old one because on r1q2 servers we can't use q2pro versions >138
[21:44:48] <R1CH> why not?
[21:44:53] <R1CH> i tested r179 on r1q2ded
[21:44:56] <wision> if the game is played on q2pro server, we use new q2pro of course (like ndml allstars game)
[21:45:18] <wision> does r1q2ded accept those http connections? (dunno how it works precisely)
[21:45:26] <R1CH> no
[21:45:57] <R1CH> so you're saying latest q2pro has only full MVD mode, no backwards compatibility on old servers?
[21:46:11] <AlexyeNov> all want we tell known to us is that mvd now stabilized to impelent in r1q2..
[21:46:25] <R1CH> well look at q2pro changelog
[21:46:31] <R1CH> mvd changes almost every revision
[21:46:31] <wision> there can't be any compatibility
[21:46:50] <wision> since the old version just connected to normal server and streamed the pov you see
[21:47:00] <AlexyeNov> R1CH: technology of mvd not changed. only some little bagfixes.
[21:47:03] <R1CH> and new one does not?
[21:47:10] <AlexyeNov> if u will want u can ask skuller for it
[21:47:21] <wision> new version is that game server is streaming via http or smth to gtv server and gtv is providing it to the cliens (at least i think that's how it works)
[21:47:32] <skuller> yes, latest q2pro implements only full MVD mode, it has no support for GTV over UDP
[21:47:47] <wision> with new one clients can see scores anytime, change pov any time (isn't possible with old version)
[21:47:54] <R1CH> and would you say it is stable enough for me to implement server functionality in r1q2?
[21:48:58] <skuller> the MVD protocol itself is stable, but it's implementation in q2pro may be not
[21:49:31] <skuller> at least the game server part can be considered stable
[21:50:14] <wision> well.. we tested it couple of times and i guess there were no problems
[21:51:09] <Pogo^> wision rpg cant play today, we recheduled it for tomorrow, same time
[21:51:14] <wision> some people reported that they hear sounds from other player.. but that was only because their client didn't support mvd
[21:51:18] <wision> ok Pogo^
[21:51:47] * hstl (~xxxx@89.165.165.10) вышел (Read error: EOF from client)
[21:51:55] <Muerte|> oh noo Pogo^
[21:51:55] <AlexyeNov> we not ask to create MVD client, R1CH... q2pro worked well.. but we very need mvd support on r1q2 server
[21:52:16] <R1CH> I know
[21:52:28] <R1CH> i just haven't found much time to work on r1q2 lately
[21:52:49] <AlexyeNov> yess.. but if u will find it it will great !

[BlackPH]

что у него НЕ было много времени на работу с r1q2

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это вообще всё к чему? )))

Парадокс, тебе бы в жёлтых изданиях работать, журналистские расследования проводить ))

"почему Стёпа не присунул Маю и что мешает этому?"
))))

у Стёпы не осталось других аргументов, кроме как признать, что у него не было времени, т.к. он дрoчил )))))

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Пара ку2 журналист!

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